[Matt]

The MDC announced last night they would use a computerized drawing for three of there conservation areas next year that would allow anyone in the state to put in for the daily draw. There are some pretty pissed off people down there today!

 

[SBEII=1POS]

Enter from home?

If so I would think you would get alot of people entering, then getting a bad draw and staying at home.

 

[Gude]

Enter from home?

If so I would think you would get alot of people entering, then getting a bad draw and staying at home.

Exactly.

I see good and bad in this. Guys that don't get drawn or get a shitty draw will mostly likely find somewhere else to hunt or stay home. I would think that would improve the hunting on the open areas of these hunting areas - should reduce pressure somewhat.

The bad - odds of being drawn are obviously much less if that many more guys enter the draw. Though, you may be able to show up and wait for no-shows - which there would be at least 1 about every day I would think.

 

[Tomandju]

Hummmm MO is enhancing (as some would see it)their controlled hunting areas and were doing away with ours. :shock:

 

[Dirty Frank]

Thats the IDNR for ya Tom. Still in the stone ages...period. We wioll never catch up with MO even if we do get sustainable funding voted in. By that time they will have created a new and better way to manage for waterfowl adn hunters and still have a surplus of $$$ to what they wish for public lands

 

[timber hunter]

Hang out at the Mo. sites some. There's as much belly aching about their "duck parks" and management as there is on the Iowa sites. Or you could visit an Indianna site and read a season dates thread that is pretty much word for word what goes on in the Iowa forums.

 

[CLIPPER]

Hang out at the Mo. sites some. There's as much belly aching about their "duck parks" and management as there is on the Iowa sites. Or you could visit an Indianna site and read a season dates thread that is pretty much word for word what goes on in the Iowa forums.

Do you think this had to do w/ lasts years weather, or does every state think they are missing the push.... I find your post very interesting.

 

[Matt]

Hang out at the Mo. sites some. There's as much belly aching about their "duck parks" and management as there is on the Iowa sites. Or you could visit an Indianna site and read a season dates thread that is pretty much word for word what goes on in the Iowa forums.

Do you think this had to do w/ lasts years weather, or does every state think they are missing the push.... I find your post very interesting.

As far as MO goes they definately are not complaining about missing the push. They were killing mallards down there while we were wondering when the ducks were going to show up. Personally I think their new system sucks. I have never really hunted the areas they are going to try it on next year but I hope it doesn't go state wide in the future.

My point in starting this thread is that there is always something to bitch about. You can not please everybody no matter how hard you try!

 

[CLIPPER]

Personally I think their new system sucks.

You can not please everybody no matter how hard you try!

I get ya on your post... MO is a different country from me up here, so I'm curious about your feelings with their system....Good and Bad I'm all ears.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Hang out at the Mo. sites some. There's as much belly aching about their "duck parks" and management as there is on the Iowa sites. Or you could visit an Indianna site and read a season dates thread that is pretty much word for word what goes on in the Iowa forums.

Do you think this had to do w/ lasts years weather, or does every state think they are missing the push.... I find your post very interesting.

As far as MO goes they definately are not complaining about missing the push. They were killing mallards down there while we were wondering when the ducks were going to show up. Personally I think their new system sucks. I have never really hunted the areas they are going to try it on next year but I hope it doesn't go state wide in the future.

My point in starting this thread is that there is always something to bitch about. You can not please everybody no matter how hard you try!

This is very painfully obvious. We will always agree to disagree

 

[Bocephus]

Has anybody participated in the lottery system in MO? It's one of the worst experiences in the world (relatively speaking). The drawings are at 4:30am, so if you do not live right next to the WMA or you get a hotel room you have to leave by 3:30 to 2:30am just to sign up. Once you are in line you have two stand there for 45 minutes with your hands in your pockets packed in like a sardine with gassy, morning breathed, WT just to pull your number. Once you get your number, you then stand around for another 45 minutes packed in like a sardine to pull a pill. If you don't get a low enough pill you'd better hope you've got friends nearby have a place to hunt.

Missouri's public waterfowling areas are much more advanced than IA's, which is why they are so popular. First of all, they have areas constructed solely for the purpose of waterfowl hunting. Secondly, they keep track of all the numbers of people that get in, turned away, and birds shot which are updated on a daily basis, which helps substaniate funding. They used to allow 1 member of the hunting group pull a number and that made the process move faster, but then you had 1 guy with the same chance of getting in as a group of 4 would. They changed it to have every one pulling a pill so they could increase the number of people hunting, which is good (though a pain in my ass).

If the goal is to make these areas more more accessible to missouri residents not within ear shot of the WMA I think its a good idea. I go down there and hunt one or twice a year with my friend and we have to leave his house before 2:30am just to get in line by 4:30. If they did this electronically it would save us money and leave us with more options to hunt if we didn't get in.

 

[SBEII=1POS]

Could they have all this drawing business done the night before?

Have a 10pm deadline?

Would this lead to people entering at more than 1 mgmt. area?

 

[Otter]

Has anybody participated in the lottery system in MO? It's one of the worst experiences in the world (relatively speaking). The drawings are at 4:30am, so if you do not live right next to the WMA or you get a hotel room you have to leave by 3:30 to 2:30am just to sign up. Once you are in line you have two stand there for 45 minutes with your hands in your pockets packed in like a sardine with gassy, morning breathed, WT just to pull your number. Once you get your number, you then stand around for another 45 minutes packed in like a sardine to pull a pill. If you don't get a low enough pill you'd better hope you've got friends nearby have a place to hunt.

Missouri's public waterfowling areas are much more advanced than IA's, which is why they are so popular.

Been hunting down there for over 30 years. The early hours and standing in line is just the nature of the beast. Some of the fellas in my camp tried it, didn't like it... so they don't go to the CA's anymore. They only hunt our private leases.

Got a Bro-in-Law that lives just north of Kansas City. He'll drive 1-1/2 hours in one of four directions to hunt the CA's. Leaves home around 2:30AM. Hunts a bunch.

If they go to this new system... there will be LOTS more folks that will hop online and try for a spot... that would NOT have left home at 2:30AM to see if they could draw a "hot spot".

Check out the Missouri folks thoughts on it at;
http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=778548

IMHO... the main reason Missouri's public waterfowling areas are so popular... is because they hold the main ingredient needed for a successful duck hunt.... DUCKS :wink:

 

[altrocker1]

not being familiar with missouri...how would this work...would people have some sort of number that would keep them from drawing at more than one area. The problem i see is if 4 guys in a group all draw at different areas, they may get 4 decent draws...then guys who draw at one area may not get a decent enough draw and stay home, when the group of 4 may not hunt their spot anyway due to a better draw somewhere else...not that i would complain about lower hunter numbers on a piece of public ground, but is there any worry that it might deter people from hunting?

 

[Matt]

not being familiar with missouri...how would this work...would people have some sort of number that would keep them from drawing at more than one area. The problem i see is if 4 guys in a group all draw at different areas, they may get 4 decent draws...then guys who draw at one area may not get a decent enough draw and stay home, when the group of 4 may not hunt their spot anyway due to a better draw somewhere else...not that i would complain about lower hunter numbers on a piece of public ground, but is there any worry that it might deter people from hunting?

I believe under this new system a person would only be able to draw at one area per day. I also think there will be alot of people from all over the state put in for the draw but only show up to hunt if they get a good draw (like in the top 5 or so).

 

[chipper140]

Actually I think Iowa could make this work and create dollars for pumping or habitat.
You could do everything on line. Have people sign up. Put a limit that tops out at the max number of blinds. Then have a random draw at 6pm for the next day. Then you have the first draw you have 5 minutes to pick and so on. If you don't pick within your 5 minutes the guys behind you get to pick. You can still pick but if the guys beat you to the blind you will have to pick a different blind. If after all the guys have had a chance to pick and any open blinds are left anyone can pick up the open blind. To finish pay everything online for the total number of guys hunting from the blind. The next day have the local county DNR officer do a blind check first thing in the mornig to verify that the correct guy or group is in the correct blind.
Fines hand out to guys that jump into the wrong blind or did not have a blind at all. Also you tack on a reporting system that needs to be filled out within 24hrs (like deer or turkey hunting) of that day. Did you hunt that day? Did you hunt in the blind you reserved? If so how many birds were shot? How many of them were retrieved?

At least in theory this could work. Then you take away the states complaint of having to pay someone to be there for the draw and check-in.

Anyway my two cents.

 

[timber hunter]

The next day have the local county DNR officer do a blind check first thing in the mornig to verify that the correct guy or group is in the correct blind.


:lol: :lol: :lol: Things must be differant in your area. I've been checked by a state DNR person three times in fourty years of duck hunting.

 

[chipper140]

TH this is the first year in the last 15 I have not been checked at least once.

 

[Bocephus]

Has anybody participated in the lottery system in MO? It's one of the worst experiences in the world (relatively speaking). The drawings are at 4:30am, so if you do not live right next to the WMA or you get a hotel room you have to leave by 3:30 to 2:30am just to sign up. Once you are in line you have two stand there for 45 minutes with your hands in your pockets packed in like a sardine with gassy, morning breathed, WT just to pull your number. Once you get your number, you then stand around for another 45 minutes packed in like a sardine to pull a pill. If you don't get a low enough pill you'd better hope you've got friends nearby have a place to hunt.

Missouri's public waterfowling areas are much more advanced than IA's, which is why they are so popular.

Been hunting down there for over 30 years. The early hours and standing in line is just the nature of the beast. Some of the fellas in my camp tried it, didn't like it... so they don't go to the CA's anymore. They only hunt our private leases.

Got a Bro-in-Law that lives just north of Kansas City. He'll drive 1-1/2 hours in one of four directions to hunt the CA's. Leaves home around 2:30AM. Hunts a bunch.

If they go to this new system... there will be LOTS more folks that will hop online and try for a spot... that would NOT have left home at 2:30AM to see if they could draw a "hot spot".

Check out the Missouri folks thoughts on it at;
http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=778548

IMHO... the main reason Missouri's public waterfowling areas are so popular... is because they hold the main ingredient needed for a successful duck hunt.... DUCKS :wink:

That being said, wouldn't your bro-in-law rather know if he got in or not the night before so he can plan accordingly and save a tank of gas, time, sleep, and frustration?

I think the nature of the beast smells like it is a 90 year old system, and MO is doing a good thing by using technology to make things easier.

Your right though...ducks makes this all happen.

 

[Tomandju]

What if the anti's were to flood the system, have heard tales from out east about anti's getting in blind drawings to take the blind sites out of production so to speak by picking them and then not hunting them.