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Email response from Zenner

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I emailed Guy and asked if he could explain somethings about the season dates and he sent me a detailed email on why things work like they do. Here's some of the literature and he also sent some graphs.

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With regards to closing the season the week of Christmas â€"

The first constraint is that our Canada goose season can only be 90 days long. To accommodate hunters that want to hunt geese the first week of January in either the north or south zones, we need to split the season at some point in December. I say “December” for 2 reasons. First, 73% of respondents to the 2006 Iowa Waterfowl Hunter Opinion Survey said they preferred the duck and goose seasons overlap as much as possible (18% had no opinion). Second, the vast majority of hunters in the 2006 Iowa Waterfowl Hunter Opinion Survey said they wanted to hunt geese throughout November (see the graphs below). So to accommodate the wishes of the majority of hunters, we are left with closing the goose season sometime in December. Some goose hunters have told us not to close the season during the first 2 weeks of December as there is always a big migration during those weeks. Others have said that they can’t get out around Christmas due to family obligations, so that would be a good time to close if we had to split the season. Closing waterfowl seasons the week of Christmas is a tradition in some southern states in the U.S., so we thought closing the season for 5 days around Christmas would be a reasonable way to accommodate the late-season hunters’ desires and allow them to hunt into January. If I can get the Mississippi Flyway Council and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to lengthen our goose season this year, which I am going to attempt to do, the Christmas week closing may be eliminated.

In regards to the duck season dates and late season mallard hunting â€"

You mentioned that the duck seasons run later in South Dakota and Nebraska. Those 2 states are in the Central Flyway, where the duck season was 74 days long. In the Mississippi Flyway, the duck season was only 60 days long. So it is not too surprising that SD and NE season’s would stay open later than ours. MN’s season closed on Dec. 2 last fall, which was 9 days before our season closed. Again, the majority of duck hunters in Iowa appear to prefer to hunt in November and late October as opposed to December (see the graphs below). Hard core duck hunters like yourself do not comprise the majority of the people that pursue ducks in Iowa each year. In fact, only about 25% of the persons that registered with the Harvest Information Program (HIP) in Iowa during 2001-05 registered every year. More than half only registered one or two years during that 5 year period. When selecting duck season dates, we try to consider what the majority of license buyers want, as well as the more ardent hunters. As you can see from the graphs, those desires do not always match up perfectly. We also look at the weekly waterfowl counts I mentioned earlier, which are conducted through December each year. That information indicates that the vast majority of ducks have migrated through Iowa nearly every year by Thanksgiving. Yes, we can have some mallards migrate into the state after that time, but that late flight usually consists of a few mallards with some late season divers like goldeneyes and mergansers. After Thanksgiving, only a small number of very ardent duck hunters are still hunting.

Selecting waterfowl hunting season dates is always a compromise. In my experience, it is simply not possible to select the best dates for everyone. However, we do our best to provide the majority of Iowa’s waterfowlers with a reasonable opportunity to pursue ducks and geese when those birds are moving through the state. Lacking a “crystal ball” to see what the weather will be like this coming fall, there is always a little guesswork involved.





Guy Zenner
Waterfowl Research Biologist
Iowa Dept. of Natural Resources
1203 N. Shore Drive
Clear Lake, IA 50428
phone: 641-357-3517
e-mail: [email protected]
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Let's solve Guy's issue for him. Start all the seasons later, kill the splits. Thus in fact saving the lives of many mosquito's. <<<<<<<Conservation.
:lol: :lol: I agree with you Abbas,when the season opens too earlynot much to shoot but teal anyway and lots of mosquitos.

lee :wink:
However, we do our best to provide the majority of Iowa’s waterfowlers with a reasonable opportunity to pursue ducks and geese when those birds are moving through the state.
Keyword...THROUGH. In December the ducks are HERE. If they are all about "hunter opportunity" then lets give the "avid" waterfowlers what they want as well as the "hobby" waterfowlers.

According to the 2008 migration surveys, we peaked at 127,500 ducks for the week of November 26 for the ENTIRE STATE!!!
There was at least that amount in 1 conservation area in the state of Missouri during that time period.
As freeze up approaches, ducks and geese get very creative in the areas they use for water. I don't think counting just these certain areas gives a true picture of how many birds are in the state after freeze up.
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That requires too much though and effort.

Read posts #11 and #12 by Jeremy and Tom. This is going to be the only hope we have of getting the later (better opportunity) season set.

http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=701409

I'm going to put together a generic email that can be forwarded to the powers that be - all I ask is (if you agree with it) that you forward it on to ALL of your hunting buddies and anyone else that may support it.
Once the seasons are proposed like this, it takes a hell of a raucus to get things changed - if it's even possible for that matter. Maybe Tom or Jeremy could weigh in better on that ---- have there ever been changes made to the season structure after proposal?

Regardless - I'll try to have something put together in the next week or so. IMO, the seasons "supported" by WAI and H4I look very good. We'd always like to see a later goose season, but take what we can get at this point.

Key points:

Extended seasons 1 week (accomplished with opening a week later)
Keep canada goose season open during Christmas break (move split 1-2 weeks earlier --- for instance, close goose season for 1 week when duck season closes)
Keep the Canada Goose line at Hwy 20 (I'm sure this will vary, but I'm goign to include it in my letter - if you dont' agree, delete that part)

I'm not going to waste my time writing something if it's not going to be forwarded on --- so give me a little feedback on how many of you would push it through your email to the decision makers....
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i will support you Gude, something has to done or at least an attempt.
lee :wink:
Send it my way, I've got probably around 30 people I can shoot it to as well.
Gude

Send it my way Gude.....I can hit a dozen or so more.

Neum
Get it over to me, Gude. travis.loving at musco.com
Send it to me [email protected]. I've got quite a few people I could send it to. However I definately do not like the goose line being hwy 30. Thats a step backwards IMO especially for Cedar Rapids area hunters and I would think a guy like yourself from CF would benefit from hwy 20 being the line. I guess it is only a week difference but thats a week I won't be able to hunt where I hunted the last few days this past season.
The "...keep the line at Hwy 30..." was a typo.

I'll propose to leave it alone - keeping Hwy 20 the N/S goose line.
Get it wrote up, and I'll get out to my pards. They all want it later.

Lance
Gude said:
The "...keep the line at Hwy 30..." was a typo.

I'll propose to leave it alone - keeping Hwy 20 the N/S goose line.
I figured that may have been what happened. I couldn't quite understand why you would want to change it when I'm guessing you probably use the hwy 20 line to get an extra week out of the goose season.
I would like a copy to Gude. I can get it sent out to another 15-20 people.
Maybe Tom or Jeremy could weigh in better on that
In the time I've been working on this the seasons haven't been changed by hunter outcry between the proposed and final seasons BUT It HAS changed the next year's goose date proposals A LOT over the years.

That has been taking a different approach though. This year we need to make sure the Natural resource Commissioners hear our desires, I believe we can change the DNR proposal through them.

What we are asking for isn't unreasonable, in essence the duck dates in the WAI/H4I proposal are the same as almost every year we've had 2 zones and 50 or more days since 1971.
I hope to god they dont change the duck season dates much. Otherwise I am going to have to move and invest 10grand in a field set up to keep humting.
You damn skippy dis fat lil sum pitch will sign her, lets go after this. Sick of this early season crap that's a damn waste of time unless you like to shoot wood ducks off the crick (when I was 7). Unfortunately it's your so called DUCK GUYS that own $80,000 duck cabins that push for this, so they can get away from their wives faster. ;-)

ABBAS DICTIONARY:

Waterfowler.................................Doing it all out from beginning to END.

Let's work on the end.
jobu said:
I hope to god they dont change the duck season dates much. Otherwise I am going to have to move and invest 10grand in a field set up to keep humting.
If by "move" you mean travel more than 15 miles to your local marsh to hunt, then yes, heaven forbid a waterfowler has to "move" to kill some birds.

And, I could set you up with a field spread that you could successfully and consistantly kill ducks and geese over for under $500.
J. Abbas said:
like to shoot wood ducks off the crick (when I was 7)
There's nothing wrong with a fat pile of bull woodies; 22yrs old
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