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Old 05-22-2017, 08:47 PM   #1
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Let it be known our Republican counter parts in DM failures to generate a 3/8th of a cent tax increase for Conservation funding and in tandem reallocate IDNR funding to other portions of thier activities will force the IDNR to close many state park facilities. Some of these closures may be coming to your area. High use or not.

The should close down at least 1 high use facility in every Republican district.

See how that shit flies with its constituents.
What would be even better is watching them explain the shit to thier constituents. LOL

For the record I am a Republican just so you know.
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Bill: This has nothing at all to do with Republican or Democrats. NO ONE is going to allow ANY rise in the sales tax. Unless there is a large water area associated with it, that park just does not have enough usage. It is just the way people are using recreation areas. We are getting a larger and larger percent of people that did not grow up the way we did and we have to accept the fact that hunting, fishing and the like will be slowly fading into the sunset. Today, you have to note just how many acres of ag fields are being put on the public hunting areas. Things are a changing and even if we don't approve or like it THEY ARE GOING TO CHANGE.
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Howard I agree there are many aspects to the problem however let me tell you in large part it falls on the head of republicans and thier counter agenda being pushed by other interests. Largely.

You still have some republican dip shit saying the IDNR doesnt pay taxes on the lands that it owns. lol

To that I say guess what? What tax does the Iowa drainage districts pay on the drainage ditches they own or manage?
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Not a republican or democrat problem, called a DNR mismanagement of money problem.....

When a business has money problems does the customer suffer or does the company institute money saving measures such as looking at un-needed layers of management and other cost saving measures?

Time the DNR learns how to operate on less other than just letting their customer suffer... But wait there's no competition to force this and to make matters worse people blaming it on lack of funding.
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The DNR does not run any of the parks, or hunting or fishing areas or control its budget. The agriculture system in Iowa runs all of these. Always has and always will. Even when I spent many years on a County Conservation Board there were people/organizations that influenced what we did and how. Yesterday, as I fished a neat little lake(normally) there was big earth-moving equipment working to create a big hillside area for campers. Destroying the wildlife area in doing so. Camping areas definitely are NOT wildlife conservation related in any way, shape or form. But it is what the public wants now a days. Maybe you guys don't even know that the DNR can't acquire land unless it is attached to existing DNR land. And there is little of that either. They can build all the expensive bike trails with no problems and most of them are off limit to hunting. I doubt if the DNR even has any lobbyist anymore. Bill knows how difficult it is to get anything done. All we can do is talk about things but can only do LITTLE. Don't just blame the DNR personal. Just look at the structure of the DNR Board and see how they vote. And the worse is yet to come.
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Not a republican or democrat problem, called a DNR mismanagement of money problem.....

I will break it down for you. Number 1 the IDNR has x dollars for a budget.

The political powers control a large portion of that budgets allocation purpose.

The political powers decided to cut budget x and apply those revenues to other sources not related to the IDNR. So what you end up with is a IDNR budget shortfall. To say they mismanage some things might be true to some extent but the IDNR is not the problem here when it comes to the present budget shortfall. This budget shortfall was created by the political class by taking said revenues from the IDNR budget and applying it to other needs IE-FB<-----

The situation that is , is a far cry from what you think the real problem is.

It would be like you having money in your account for operations and your wife come in and take half of that without telling you she was going to take it and spend it on something other than your operations. By your suggestion I would be able to suggest you have a spending problem right? I hope you understand how I laid it out for yah. Easy isnt it and not what you think it is.

Could we find waste? I am sure as we could do that with all government operations or agencies.
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For the record I am a Republican just so you know.
You voted republican and you're surprised they are not supporting a tax increase?
That's like someone joining the marines and be surprised they could actually get shot at.
As Steven Wright once said "You cannot have everything. If you could where would you put it all"
FYI, the bill is not dead yet.

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It is easy to see how this problem works. Just try to put an entrance fee on the state parks and see how that flies. The vast public, through their legislators, control how many parks, hunting areas and public lakes they want. The vast percent of the public could care less about any of those area and don't want to fund them. We, the small percentage, try to push our legislators for increases but we are just barking up a tree. Even when an increase in hunting, fishing, and boating fees is put forth the Legislators get bombed with objections. And then you have the ag side that doesn't want any more land taken out of cropville. It is a very difficult problem. If we didn't have the big artificial marshes like Big Marsh, Sweet Marsh, Otter Creek and others that were constructed or designed back in the late '50s we wouldn't have anything today. None of the flood control areas like Saylorville, were no considered to be for hunting or recreation. Think of all the money these areas cost and what would happen if something like those would be suggested today. Down the tube. Wish I had a dollar for all the meetings I sat in on in my lifetime just discussing the above. I'VE GIVEN UP!
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No I am not surprised about the position they took. Never said I was. As for the Bill not being dead. Some will think they are doing the right thing in the new name of environment CONFLICT. LOL After some allow the allocation shift to go down and 5 years down the road nothing statistically changes in water quality, maybe some liberals will understand the concept of SOLYNDRA. All starts out with good intentions but ends up nothing more than another way to piss taxpayer dollars right down the shitter. By that time some may think of a new call to arms motto . LOL


Stick the the founding formula and dont budge. All or nothing.
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