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Old 10-15-2016, 07:33 AM   #1
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So here's the scenario. I found a private pond and did the leg work to track down the owner and get permission on. Today when my son and I showed up to hunt it two college kids were already on the pond with decoys set and a little blind built. I went out to talk with them since I didn't know of anybody else having permission. They told me that their dad had spoke with a guy that used to work for the land owner. They were told that somebody (me) already had permission but the guy hadn't heard from me in a while so go ahead. so since they knew somebody else had permission they showed up early, we got there at 4:45. So my question is this, a) if you tried getting permission and were told somebody else already had it would hunt it without trying to contact the person that already had permission and b) as the person that had permission from the owner himself how would you handle walking up on them?
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seems as if they were third party removed[owner,ex employee,dad them].always someone ready to take cuts in line.good chance to teach your son.bad dog
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Not much you can really do honestly. That's on the landowner for giving out permission to multiple groups. It sucks it happened like that to you but I'm sure everyone has experienced that before. As for them getting there early knowing someone else might show up. That's to be expected and I would have done the same thing and have before. Once a farmer gives out permission to multiple people it's just like public again. The bad thing is you had no knowledge of it and got burned.
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Not much you can really do honestly. That's on the landowner for giving out permission to multiple groups. It sucks it happened like that to you but I'm sure everyone has experienced that before. As for them getting there early knowing someone else might show up. That's to be expected and I would have done the same thing and have before. Once a farmer gives out permission to multiple people it's just like public again. The bad thing is you had no knowledge of it and got burned.
Ditto, That is why if I am going to be hunting ground that I know others have permission on I am there early.
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I agree with Jordan, there are certain people that just hand out permission to any and every body that asks, and if I know that's the case in advance I make sure I scout hard and get the X. In your case you kind of got hosed and there isn't much you can do.

I have got permission for a few fields in the last couple years that I was told used to have somebody from Sioux Falls that hunted it, but were unsure whether or not he still did. In those few instances, I made sure that I hunted it solo or with just one other guy in the case that I might meet up with somebody else wanting to hunt it. Had that ever happened I would be more than accommodating and try to hunt together.

Either way it sucks for you and your son, if the spot shows much promise while scouting it I would try to find a way in, either talking to the guys or if they are dicks about it I would exert my dominance (while the kid isn't there of course) and see what happens. That's just me though.
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We tried the "let's be nice and hunt together" angle but they weren't having any of it. They got permission yesterday, went in an bumped the pond last night to scout it then bumped 150 geese off it this morning when they went in. The pond is only about 4 acres so it wasn't anywhere near big enough for two separate groups. We ended up leaving and went to a public spot close by, but it was pretty loaded up seeing as by now we were only 45 minutes from shooting time. We ended up just going home.
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Did you try the, "You better pray that you actually have permission, or you're going to be charged with trespassing" angle?
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Did you try the, "You better pray that you actually have permission, or you're going to be charged with trespassing" angle?
No but contact info and license plate pictures were taken just in case.
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No but contact info and license plate pictures were taken just in case.
It's probably a good thing I didn't take the day off.
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Sounds like a BS story on their part. The "so and so said we could hunt it" thing is garbage. Either have the balls to talk to the landowner yourself or don't hunt.

I hope they didn't shoot a damn thing.
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How is asking a guy that work for the landowners at one time getting permission. Isn't that kind of like the mailman say I deliver their mail so it's OK for you to hunt there. To me if you don't talk to the owners then you don't have permission.
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They told me that their dad had spoke with a guy that used to work for the land owner.
Such a bullshit answer. That sucks, especially with your kid with you. This is going to happen more and more considering the younger generations seem to have more lack of respect for anything really. My favorite is when they say 'We've hunted here in the past so figured it would be fine'. No dipshit(s), permission is granted for that hunting season generally, at most. Not eternity.
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I would say that plenty of us have at one time or another hunted a piece of ground that someone else (not in the group) got permission for. Especially college kids, not unreasonable their Dad would have asked for them. But if that is the case, you better know the landowners name and who actually asked. I also hate the "we've hunted this for years" answer. I also hate vague answers. And sometimes someone asks the landowner and the other person asks the guy renting the ground, that one gets real murky in a hurry. But I have gotten permission for plenty of fields and ponds that other people also had permission to hunt, and knowing that got there earlier than everyone else. Now I've also beaten plenty of guys and then ended up combining groups and killing a lot of birds. Hell a few years back we teamed up with a group of guys off this site who we beat out and we had a 12 man goose limit on this crappy little farm pond with no cover in about an hour and a half on opener. The best case scenario in your situation would have been to try and link up with the other 2 guys to hunt, 4 isn't a lot by any means. But to shortly answer the question, if 2 groups have permission, it's pretty cut and dry that the early bird gets the worm (or pond/field in this case ). The worse is when hot heads prevail, and the farmer/owner hears about it and boots everyone off, I've seen that also. Be courteous out there..
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