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Old 03-29-2016, 06:27 PM   #14
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I disagree with you DF on why some of the WR's come apart. You are forgetting about variation in tolerances. the diameter of the fiberglass stakes can vary by "X" the opening of the push nut can vary by "Y" The push nuts are meant to go on; with the concave side down and when seated with hammering the head down it seats and squares them up. the reason some of them pull apart is that the stack up of the variation in tolerances of the rod and push nut make it so that the interference fit is less than nominal. That interference fit is meant to withstand a calculated force to pull it apart. sometimes that required force is lessened by the variation in the components.
that and I guarantee you that the material composition of the push nuts is not closely monitored by the Chinese company that is making them. some of them may have some "tin foil" in them versus some with shredded car steel.
All of the above causes some of the WR's to pull apart when pulled out by grabbing the handle when the stake becomes frozen in the ground or when the suction factor of the mud overcomes the interference fit.

Heck, we have had horse shoes pulled off of a hoof on a horse by deep mud. and I guarantee you that 12 horse shoe nails driven through a hoof and clinched over have way more strength than a simple push nut on a fiberglass rod.
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Heck, we have had horse shoes pulled off of a hoof on a horse by deep mud. and I guarantee you that 12 horse shoe nails driven through a hoof and clinched over have way more strength than a simple push nut on a fiberglass rod.
then you will understand that the weight of the horse "w", and shape of the hoof "x", are directly related to the force AND Depth "y" entering the mud, and the force required to pull out of the mud "z".... the design of a nail vs the design of the push nut and friction that holds said object in place by design alone is completely different "e"... Not to forget to mention another obvious variable is the material of the hoof, and stake are completely different, throwing another variable "m", AND the suction of the mud in said location "s"

I understand what your saying about tolerances, im not saying your wrong. but your sure not very right. Its a push nut. There IS a right and a wrong way to put the push nut on. Its not hard to figure out with even a little bit of common sense... but it happens. OFTEN


camo: if your going to break a product much quicker that most, perhaps you should avoid a product with backbone material that will break easier not impressed with the form or function of the Dakota's back bone. i may even pick up a dozen, and place them around the dog blind just to see how many of that dz get broke in a season as the dog tears through on a retrieve! any guesses?

I guess they are still a newer product... your field testing hasn't had near as much data to develop an accurate report of the durability of the Dakotas
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Haven't seen so many hard-ons for a decoy since GHG was serving the Kool-Aid.
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Mallard you are full of it. I have had a couple of the WRs. Pull apart and I know they were put together correctly. Some of the push nuts hold very well as they were designed and some don't because of the variation in tolerances. Simple.mathmatics.
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Mallard you are full of it. I have had a couple of the WRs. Pull apart and I know they were put together correctly. Some of the push nuts hold very well as they were designed and some don't because of the variation in tolerances. Simple.mathmatics.
simple mathmatics? or engineering? fool

this makes me even more sure, especially in your case, that it is Operator error.... push nut is a little off center when you strike it with a hammer, you wont get as good of a hold. Push nut is on upside down, you wont get a good hold. Tolerances can vary enough to make a difference, sure, that will effect the hold. BUT i challenge your hard up happy ass to show me a push nut that isnt sized to fit with the stake to properly hold the support and sock together... Even after tollerances are considered. If thats WR saying something of the sort, i applaud them for making an excuse for your ignorance and careless assembly...

after reading your posts, i second guess whether or not you have ever put together, let a lone even seen a whiterock
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Good news about any brand is if they break you can always buy more....no push nut required for that
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Mallard you are a frigging azzhole that doesn't have a clue. I own and have put together hundreds of white rocks. It is next to impossible to put the push nut on upside down and getting off center is also very difficult to do. Some fail and not from incorrect assembly, for whatever reason.
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Mallard you are a frigging azzhole that doesn't have a clue.
Actually, i can be one of the nicer azzholes i know. Just not when you spew BULL CHIT all over hell


It is next to impossible to put the push nut on upside down and getting off center is also very difficult to do.

THIS, right here.... tells me your a "frigging" idiot, and not worth the key strokes to argue with you
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Well this debate escalated quickly! Lol he is right. I'll guarantee you if the push washer/nut is put on wrong, it will come off. I've seen it. And Get Duck, the ones that came apart of mine are the ones you put together with the tapered end because the old washers did suck putting on. The new ones are better, but still...off center and hit the handle, the washer is fucked up and will fail. I'm not saying camo's were put on wrong, but that's been the consensus of how the WR's fail. Operator error. Why you think they started selling em put together? Call WR and ask em...I already know the answer but go ahead, I've spoken with one of the owners about it several times...
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And whether you or Mike wanna admit it, there is the human error factor. We all have and nobody is perfect... Tolerances can be an issue but not enuf to make a push washer come loose on a regular basis. It's not like they just slip over that stake. It takes some force to get it over it. And to blame it on China, I'll disagree. If it was made here the tolerances wouldn't be much closer and cost 2-3x more than what it does now. I'll guarantee anybody can find a flaw in every product. WR's have flaws as do all socks, many have been mentioned here. One way or the other anybody can find that on any given product
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I should of got some popped for this thread and got a few .

Now that WR come assembled it will be interesting to see if the quantity of push nuts pulling apart goes down. Maybe the factory has a jig or some other product that puts the push nut on in a better way but the way I see it, the top of the handle when hit with a hammer, will level out that push nut so as long as you get it centered on the stake so putting them together isn't hard. Perhaps hitting the push nut with x lbs of force is worse the y lbs of force but who knows.

Tolerances of the stake and the push nut along with using a product more often, will break a product. That's a simple fact.

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Have you used the Dakota's yet? It sounds like you haven't so I'd welcome you to test some out and see if any of them break. I think their back bone is similar in material to a Deadly (both hard plastic) and never had a Deadly break. The backbone getting hit by a dog, I'd imagine the decoy will just move but maybe not. But you can report back.
I've put over 20 hunts on them this season and so far like them, along with liking WR, except the issue with them pulling part. Both brands will continue to improve their product.


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Didn't read through all the comments but to answer your question yes. Going forth we will have an updated snow and blue sock. More detail incorporated into the pattern. Plan was to make it a slightly larger bag as well. Any questions feel free to PM me. Happy to answer them. Greatly appreciate you choosing our products!
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