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Old 03-03-2015, 06:27 PM   #1
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Other forum have had some talk about cholera being found in snow geese in southern Missouri.anybody have any details about this from biologist point of view. One question I have is there any effects to humans or dogs from an infected bird?
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I'm for sure not an expert but what I have read says avian cholera is fairly specific to birds and is low risk to humans. That doesn't mean it can't happen though. Google it. Lots of reference articles out there.
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Fowl cholera is caused by the bacteria Pasteurella multocida and its pretty common in waterfowl, especially in concentrated populations like snow geese. It's a completely different bacteria than human cholera (Vibrio cholerae) which is generally acquired drinking water contaminated with human waste.

P. multocida causes disease in lots of animals and while it can technically infect humans, the last papers I read on fowl cholera said there were no known transmissions directly from bird to human. It's normal flora in the nose/mouth of most mammals and generally only causes problems when there's some sort of compromise in the immune system. It's not normal flora in birds and that's why its bad news for them - septicemia and a high mortality rate.
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Fowl cholera is caused by the bacteria Pasteurella multocida and its pretty common in waterfowl, especially in concentrated populations like snow geese. It's a completely different bacteria than human cholera (Vibrio cholerae) which is generally acquired drinking water contaminated with human waste.

P. multocida causes disease in lots of animals and while it can technically infect humans, the last papers I read on fowl cholera said there were no known transmissions directly from bird to human.
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That isn't the same stuff as those puffy blisters that we sometimes see on snow geese. I had one at Riverton that the DNR check station looked at and sent it on down to the center for disease control. I got a call in 2 weeks that I should be suspicious of anything different and to call their number with another number. I didn't know if I was going to die but nothing happened. I'm 25,460 days old and still kicking. I think we are probably exposed to a lot of stuff while out hunting. Try getting bit by a rattlesnake some time and enjoy that. The infection you never get over.
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Supposedly they're picking up 3-500 dead snows a day from just a couple of conservation areas in SEMO that are being killed by avian cholera.
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Supposedly they're picking up 3-500 dead snows a day from just a couple of conservation areas in SEMO that are being killed by avian cholera.
That's what happens when a species outpaces it's predation - nature (eventually) takes care of it herself.

It progresses so fast in birds that supposedly people have seen them die in flight and drop out of the air!
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Supposedly they're picking up 3-500 dead snows a day from just a couple of conservation areas in SEMO that are being killed by avian cholera.
Pretty soon it will be 3-5000 dead ones. Avian cholera is bad news
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Pretty soon it will be 3-5000 dead ones. Avian cholera is bad news

Might be once the migration is in full swing those numbers will die down. The more spread out they are the less chance of major die offs.
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Too bad they wont open up the refuges and let them be killed off and spread out, now watch it spread like wild fire to the rest of the waterfowl!
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This is nothing new or unusual, it happens at some scale every year. Avian (or fowl) Cholera has been in the snow goose population for a long time. It usually occurs after a period of cloudy conditions and stress on birds. Sunshine (ozone) will kill it in the environment. While all waterfowl are susceptible it is believed that snow geese can be a carrier. Managers are well aware of its prevalence. The NWHC tracks mortality events. Proper removal and disposal of carcasses is the best control. While the right conditions can result in large die-off’s the numbers are, for the most part, insignificant to the overall population. The best course of action if you notice numerous dead waterfowl (and coots) at one location is to contact your local DNR office.
The NWHC is the authority on wildlife diseases. There is plenty of information on their site.http://www.nwhc.usgs.gov/disease_information/avian_cholera/index.jsp

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Too bad they wont open up the refuges and let them be killed off and spread out, now watch it spread like wild fire to the rest of the waterfowl!
They tried that the first few years of the CO if you remember...didn't do much for numbers of kills, just made them move on and pissed a lot of birdwatchers off, I think
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