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Old 02-02-2015, 04:16 PM   #27
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The birds follow the snow line as it melts. So while they don't know when it snowed they do know it snowed. Spring goose hunting all of western Iowa to Central South Dakota has taught me that well.
So the "scout flocks" find the line then fly back to report to their comrades. Correct? Or is it like they just know?
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So the "scout flocks" find the line then fly back to report to their comrades. Correct? Or is it like they just know?
If the snow is late in melting the geese basically ride the heels of the snow line. There have been instances of where geese will jump the snow line if they can find a clear area a few miles past a snow patch. So it is basically the scout flocks going out a doing all the work then reporting back.
But this is more my observation of things so it is not scientific base other than my case study.
I have seen flocks of 100,000 by Feb 10th in SW Iowa or NW Missouri stay for a few days or week then get blown back south with a good snow storm. They come back as the snow line starts to creep back north.
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The birds follow the snow line as it melts. So while they don't know when it snowed they do know it snowed. Spring goose hunting all of western Iowa to Central South Dakota has taught me that well.

They do once the migration is in full swing but at this time only a small % push the snow line, the majority are sitting far below any line waiting for same time each and every year. These birds have been soaking up the sun and warmth all winter and have no clue what's going on several hundred miles north.
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They do once the migration is in full swing but at this time only a small % push the snow line, the majority are sitting far below any line waiting for same time each and every year. These birds have been soaking up the sun and warmth all winter and have no clue what's going on several hundred miles north.
I'd have to venture to guess that time is a key ingredient but also weather plays a huge role as well. Having hunted down in Mo for many years Toye, what do you consider more important, time frame or weather?

Just checked back last spring and back in 2013 and about a month separated the time frame between Squaw's peak #. Those two year's also showed a big difference btw when I was seeing & hunting in central Iowa as well.

I think that just like in the fall, ducks/geese are trending towards possibly sticking it out longer in north country while the adult snow's are trending towards flying north sooner in the spring. But just like anything else in waterfowl hunting, they will throw a curveball at ya
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But just like anything else in waterfowl hunting, they will throw a curveball at ya
just so I know which gun to have along,are you talkin a 2 finger curve ball or a 3 knuckle slidin curve ball?bad dog
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I'd have to venture to guess that time is a key ingredient but also weather plays a huge role as well. Having hunted down in Mo for many years Toye, what do you consider more important, time frame or weather?

Just checked back last spring and back in 2013 and about a month separated the time frame between Squaw's peak #. Those two year's also showed a big difference btw when I was seeing & hunting in central Iowa as well.

I think that just like in the fall, ducks/geese are trending towards possibly sticking it out longer in north country while the adult snow's are trending towards flying north sooner in the spring. But just like anything else in waterfowl hunting, they will throw a curveball at ya
As of Feb 3rd, the most important factor is timing. Still too early. March 3rd, about 50/50 weather and timing. April 3rd, Weather Is The MOST important.

It's hard to compare peak numbers on Squaw for only 2 years. Hell last year, the internet scouters were claiming no birds in NW MO due to Squaw counts yet the river was loaded for miles and miles.
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These guys have the most helpful, and accurate migration report that I know of. I read em every year, and it ha been helpful! http://fowledreality.com/snow-goose-...bruary-2-2015/
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We are supposed to go to flats on March3rd-5 but got an email today from Tony asking us to come about 3 weeks earlier because the snows are showing up already in good numbers due to a warmup he said. I'm flexible but the rest of our group isn't. May have to rebook for next year.
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I may be missing something but Habitat Flats is currently in Arkansas and can't imagine they would be leaving there anytime in the very near future...............certainly not in the next week at least which is what you are suggesting for a move up date???

Are you sure they are not asking you to come to Arkansas now rather than waiting until they get to North Central Missouri?

If that was the case would make sense. If they are saying to move your trip up to Missouri to now (or next week) NO FREAKING WAY would I give up my date in early March for that.

I think you need to investigate a bit more before you cancel and/or move your dates. Something seems amiss here???

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I may be missing something but Habitat Flats is currently in Arkansas and can't imagine they would be leaving there anytime in the very near future...............certainly not in the next week at least which is what you are suggesting for a move up date???

Are you sure they are not asking you to come to Arkansas now rather than waiting until they get to North Central Missouri?

If that was the case would make sense. If they are saying to move your trip up to Missouri to now (or next week) NO FREAKING WAY would I give up my date in early March for that.

I think you need to investigate a bit more before you cancel and/or move your dates. Something seems amiss here???

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There is a heck of a warm up and a lot of geese rolling back to Swan. It's going to be early this year. If there is anyway you can move your dates up, I'd recommend it! Please let me know if it is a possibility. Thank you!


Feb 11-13
Feb 14-16
Feb 17-19
Feb 20-22


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They are down in Arkansas now.. You won't want to be hunting mound next weekend I'll guarantee ya. You'll travel s little more, and they will put you on birds. But, I'd email him back and stick with those dates. Only a fool would postpone and go a year later with those dates booked lol no offense. But you can bet tony will still be around mound with fields full of hunters no matter what u choose.

I'd bet anything they know there will be more people looking for those dates u have held and trying to fill fields won't be an issue. Early feb, it's just getting started and not as many that know how the springs work, have caught the bug yet... Early March, That's about as good as you could ask for imo. As of now, they are in ark and the boot with hunters, but openings to fill, stacking birds up no doubt. And looking to maximize profits. Which is a good business move, really. Move hunters around and still put them on good hunts, open up more prime time slots. And move more hunters through... $$$$ money talks

But, I'd advise to stay with your dates, honestly.
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We are keeping the dates. It's too big of mess to change everything now. My buddies and some family went last year around basically the same time as we have booked and did good. Email just got us nervous. It's a far and expensive trip for us.
My buddy exchanged emails today with tony. As of now we are sticking as planned.
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