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Old 02-25-2016, 05:15 PM   #1
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Anyone used Hillman method of having the dog in a kennel and the handler throwing from a distance.
Since I'm getting lazy in my old age and have no one to throw I thought I'd give it a try .
The only problem I've got is after the fall she immediately swings her head to lock on to me instead of the mark. When released from heel she's locked onto the fall. Even when I walk out to throw a longer bird and return she returns to locking in before I release her.
Maybe it's not a huge deal but she does a little more searching. Any tips or should I just go back to hoofing it for longer work.
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Anyone used Hillman method of having the dog in a kennel and the handler throwing from a distance.
Since I'm getting lazy in my old age and have no one to throw I thought I'd give it a try .
The only problem I've got is after the fall she immediately swings her head to lock on to me instead of the mark. When released from heel she's locked onto the fall. Even when I walk out to throw a longer bird and return she returns to locking in before I release her.
Maybe it's not a huge deal but she does a little more searching. Any tips or should I just go back to hoofing it for longer work.
I have used a mat to run the dogs off of when the dogs are young and when I train by myself. I have not seen the Hillman method, but I imagine it's the same principal. One of the things I don't like about this method is you have no control of what your dog is doing on the line while you are out throwing birds. My older dog had a noise issue. Was this perpetuated by me walking out throwing marks and having no control of her at the line?IDK
If you are sending from the field after you throw, toss another bird as the dog is en route. This will keep the dog going to the mark and not to you. How old is the dog? How long are the marks you are doing? What kind factors are in the marks? Are you throwing the bird with the wind from the dog to the mark? All these things will cause the dog to break down early and start hunting?
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When I first started I was trying to do everything by myself as you are.
I am betting every pro/ want to be trainer told me I had to but electronics to use to throw.
So I saved up and use remote launchers.
All the best to you and the pup
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Yes same principle. I'm just using the bottom of a crate as the mat. Dog is 3, marks well when I throw or when I have someone to throw . She close with this just not as sharp.
Was trying it to save me the leg work on longer marks . Same result whether 30 or 150. Thinking about it over a couple drinks tonight I believe she's looking for me to handle her .
It's hasn't been terrible just not sharp. Maybe I'll just go back to walking out and back.
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Plus thanks Mark and Dean.
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I agree with Mark it's big draw back, is it's hard to correct anything that may go wrong. But look at it this way, your dog marks the fall then swings it's head to you to be released. This is no different than them turning to the next fall of a multiple mark, they need to develop their memory also. I take it as far sometimes to throw and walk in to release my dog and she is watching me the whole way in, ready to go. Helps them learn to mark and remember. They catch on and watch more intently as they learn. Another good resource is Dennis Voights "Training Alone". FYI Mid Iowa Retriever club is having a fun trial this Sunday at Chichaqua by Elkhart 8 am. Lots of knowledgeable people and you may be able to find a training group to join in with. As the weather warms up more and more people train out there at the park. It is nice to train with a group from time to time makes a lot of things, simpler, and some things you just can't replicate by yourself. Best of luck.
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I'm making a remote launcher to combat this same issue. I'm training on my own but have been fortunate that my wife will occasionally come along and be my launcher and gun. When she's not there, though, it gets tough.

With the remote launcher I should be able to easily walk out and set the launcher and then walk back and create a false hunting situation where my dog won't know where the throw is coming from because there wont' be a person for her to mark off of (just like a real hunting situation).

I don't know if that really helps you out at all, but I think that's what you're looking for. The ability to throw a far mark while being by your dog to keep focus on the mark. I'd gladly share the plans I have with you if you'd like to see them.

Good luck!
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I do stand alone marks often during the week after work. I like them, but have noticed some of the things others have mentioned. My older dog never takes her eyes off the mark, but younger dog will look toward me (the gunner) after the mark hits the ground, until I send her. I started waiting longer to send her, until her attention turned back to the bird on the ground. I think it is a good way to throw marks when alone, and when time constraints dont allow the set up and tear down of wingers.

I also like to throw multiples (doubles, triples) and walk back to the line to send them. All marks then become "retired." I will also do "send backs," where I leave a bucket or mat at the line, walk out and throw the mark, have dog pick it up and bring to me at "gun station", and send her back to the line, as if running a blind. Then she is at the same line, and I will move to throw another mark. Maybe work on going through old falls, or check down birds.

I enjoy this with my dogs. I still train with my group as often as possible however. Nothing can beat live throwers in the field.
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Thanks for the replies and advice.
Experimented a little tonight. Tried wating she will only look at me until I release her. Did same marks with her at heel and same time of waiting and so much more precise.
Went back to walking out and back for long throws no problem. Ran a long double same way no problem.
Delfte , I would like to see the plans you have ,sounds like my best option. Used to have the wife help , but if she if she got the dummy more than 5 feet of the ground, it usually landed 2 ft behind her.
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