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Old 08-18-2015, 07:19 PM   #1
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One of my guns is an old 97 passed down to me by my dad, it was bought new by my Grandfather and used hard. I shot my first duck and pheasant with it. When I started waterfowling steel was coming out and I shot two boxes through it before switching to 870. Luckily I didn't hurt it. My 14yr old son received an old model 12 given to him the day he was born by my father-in-law. The gun was won in a poker game after the war in South Dakota and my father-in-law framed the letter given possession and a sentence from his grandfather noting he would pass that gun to his grandson some day. Unfortunately he wasn't alive to do it himself. My father-in-law has a model 12 as well.
My wife's uncle is a doctor in Lincoln and lined up three days along the Platte for us at a really good place to hunt this winter. Might sound stupid but we all want to take old guns. My son has shot his model 12 often and I have gotten used to the hammer on the 97 this summer. My father-in-law just pheasant and deer hunts and only uses his model 12. My wife's uncle will still hunt his fancy steel ready over and under.

I know Bismuth is gone. I did a search for non toxic shot for old guns and old info comes up on bismuth. I was told by local gun shop classic double shot but still find nothing. Any of you you in the know??
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Classic Double made by Hevishot is the only one I can think.

I have am old Model 11 and shoot steel out of it. I got it when my great-great grandfather passed. I believe I was 10 years old or so when he die and I started shooting it shortly there after. I've always shot steel out of it. Probably not the best idea, but it keeps shooting and spitting empties. I try shooting it once or twice a year just for the heck of it.
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Bismuth is still available. I got some Rio bismuth shells for a guy last season. He was shooting an old model 12.

Classic Doubles is another choice but it will run you just over $4/shell. The bismuth runs almost half that price.

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It's going to be pricey but classic doubles should be easy to find.
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Any of the nontoxic that is safe for older guns will be spendy, but the big stores should all have some variety. I reload Hevi for my A5 with a full choke-fixed. Also done a few pounds of bismuth.
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I know of 3 loads that would be safe for those guns. Bismuth is 1. I don't care for bismuth because it is brittle, and it breaks apart like glass. Another option is Hevi Shot Classic Doubles. It shoots well, but it's pricey, and it's pretty slow as well. My choice would be Kent Impact. It's tungsten powder dissolved into a polymer (plastic.) It is supposed to be softer than lead and it patterns very similar to lead. The density is almost identical to lead. I shot some of it in 3 inch 5 shot, and I was very happy with it. It's as fast as steel, but soft and dense like lead.
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WOW, Thanks for the fast replies! I goggled classic double before and couldn't find it, but I just did with Hevi shot classic double. I still couldn't find bismouth. I will be back at UL in Chicagoland in a few weeks and will make a side trip and see if Bass Pro or Cabelas has it. I didn't see it on line.

I am not too worried about buying price for this trip, but would not shoot it for an entire season.

I also have a Rem model 11 KM, mine is 28" plain barrel mod choke.

The 26" M2 sure points fast after a session with the 30" hammer! Should be good and ready for teal.
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I will check Paul's after work sometime this week for you.
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I also have a Rem model 11 KM, mine is 28" plain barrel mod choke.

The 26" M2 sure points fast after a session with the 30" hammer! Should be good and ready for teal.
They're cool old guns. Not quite the gun the A5 was/is, but as long as you shot hi dram loads it cycles right through them. Mine has a 30" fixed full choke barrel and like you said, just a bead at the end and no rib. I shot it for years growing up.

I've always shot slower/heavier loads out of it, 1 1/4 oz #2s or #3s. I remember always shooting federals in the old gold or gray boxes with the flying mallard on the top of the box. While my 20 gauge 870 was sent away, I grew into the Model 11 and never shot the 870 again even when I got it back. Most definitely got my first doubles with that gun somewhere between the ages of 10 or 11 and 14. The length of pull on the gun is awfully short. My dad got a slip on recoil pad for it and that worked wonders for my shooting immediately.
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They're cool old guns. Not quite the gun the A5 was/is, but as long as you shot hi dram loads it cycles right through them. Mine has a 30" fixed full choke barrel and like you said, just a bead at the end and no rib. I shot it for years growing up.

I've always shot slower/heavier loads out of it, 1 1/4 oz #2s or #3s. I remember always shooting federals in the old gold or gray boxes with the flying mallard on the top of the box. While my 20 gauge 870 was sent away, I grew into the Model 11 and never shot the 870 again even when I got it back. Most definitely got my first doubles with that gun somewhere between the ages of 10 or 11 and 14. The length of pull on the gun is awfully short. My dad got a slip on recoil pad for it and that worked wonders for my shooting immediately.
From the Win 97 I went to a 870 then traded the 870 for a jap invector magnum auto 5 at davenport gun show then put it up and shoot M2 now. I received my 11 from family as well and hunted it some but although I set it up for steel it would jam on occasion. I never had a problem with lead. I had a twin to it that had been redone and sold that on here to CWbcdad. Not worth a lot but something about those old guns, they just ooze tradition and character!
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Frog, take a day pass and just use LEAD.
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Due to the age of the gun, I'd be cautious of shooting new shells with the pressure that's created. The classic doubles is probably your best bet for something over the counter.

Here's another place you can check:
http://www.rstshells.com/

I've got a REALLY old 16ga SxS of my dads that I was trying to find low pressure, non-tox loads for to take to Arkansas. RST was the only place I could find any - but they were back ordered and $75/box. I'll probably get a box this year as I'd like to shoot the gun but I'll probably have a gunsmith run through it first.
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